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Posted: Sat Mar 22nd, 2008 08:35 am |
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| Everyone told me "you have to use the thick type of grease on the Biamps, Ben". Ok, fine. So I get the 28g teeny tiny tub of fader grease for almost 30 bucks. It arrives today. Shockingly small. Shockingly reminiscient of generic white/tan grease you can find anywhere. I thoroughly lube all the faders on both my Biamps with the stuff. Before hand, one mixer had a two faders that were slightly scratchy. NOW THEY'RE ALL HORRIBLY SCRATCHY ON BOTH UNITS! Caig's Can'O Junk has made $500 worth of DJ mixers now useless until I can remedy this situation...if that is even possible. Wonderful. A word of wisdom to all who are reading this: Stick to mineral oil or 3-in-1 from Albertsons. Those have never let me down. Caig Laboratories, I am BEYOND angry.
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Posted: Sat Mar 22nd, 2008 02:34 pm |
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Hello,
First, who told you you need to use "thick grease" on Biamps? We only recommend the FaderGrease as a last resort. 95% of the time the DeoxIT FaderLube is all that is required. Sometimes the faders are very deteriorated and before replacing we then recommend the FaderGrease or another grease.
Second, anytime using a new product we always recommend testing on one component or one channel. Next time we would recommend doing this.
Yes, we can try to correct this situation. Please copy this response and send it to service@caig.com and we will send you a can of DeoxIT FaderLube spray (F5S-H6). You can try and flush out the grease and then apply a "small" amount of FaderLube to the surfaces. Remember, apply to one component or one channel first.
When you can, please report back and let us know if this resolves the issue.
Thank you,
Mark
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Posted: Sat Mar 22nd, 2008 08:21 pm |
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O.k. I've sent the email.
What I don't understand is how the one mixer that had no noise on the faders is now noisy from Deoxit Fader Grease. I can understand it possibly not improving the one mixer that had a little noise on some of the faders, but to add noise? That seems like there is something seriously wrong with the grease to be causing that. These are Nobel faders, with (at least originally) that slight buttery resistance. I took it on faith from the guys on wavemusic and djforums that Biamps' original "buttery" resistance (which I could feel on the seldom-used master faders) was the result of thick grease they recommended, and to only use that.
Obviously it was my mistake for assuming at worst the Deoxit Fader Grease would not foul things up any worse. I knew it might not improve those two faders, but to have a mass adverse effect never crossed my mind. It is also my fault for not testing it on just one fader. It took me about an hour to get the grease into a syringe so I could gently squeeze some into the fader slots. So I was clearly over-eager by that time to see the improvement in feel of the faders I was hoping for. Lesson learned. I seem to be learning a lot of lessons as of late, like not asking about a steal on ebay on a forum unless I’m willing to tip someone off and lose the opportunity.
I eagerly anticipate the remedy products. Thanks.
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Posted: Sat Mar 22nd, 2008 11:41 pm |
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Yes, DeoxIT FaderGrease is OK to use on Faders without issues. What can happen is two complications; one, if their are any contaminants on the surfaces (dust, dirt, grease, any particles) the grease will mix with those and possibly make things worse. Also the original lubrication/grease maybe separating with the DeoxIT FaderGrease and causing issues.
When using our FaderGrease, we recommend flushing the surfaces first with the DeoxIT FaderLube spray to flush away anything on the surfaces. That may be all that is nesessary to clean and lube the faders and keep tactile feel. If more is required, then we recommend applying the FaderGrease. Again, :-), on one fader or channel to make sure all is OK.
Hope that clarifies the use.
Mark
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Posted: Sat Apr 5th, 2008 07:57 pm |
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| Just letting you know I didn't receive anything yet. US mail?
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Posted: Mon Apr 7th, 2008 07:17 pm |
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Shipped, tracking info will be emailed to you.
Mark
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Posted: Mon Apr 7th, 2008 10:56 pm |
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| It arrived today. Thanks. I'll unassemble the fader board again, give it a good soaking overnight and let it drain upside down. Do you recommend the Grease again afterwards or not? I'm wondering if I should submerge the entire fader board in 97% alcohol first overnight before I do anything.
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Posted: Tue Apr 8th, 2008 06:43 pm |
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As mentioned above, start by flushing one channel or fader first using the FaderLube spray. This will remove the majority, if not all, of the contaminants on the surface. Be sure to slide your channels back and forth, this allows for a mechanical action to help spead the product and assist with the cleaning.
The option of soaking the entire board in alcohol first is strictly yours, but we do not recommend this process.
If after Flushing the channel with the FaderLube, you do not have the tactile feel you are looking for, then you can add the FaderGrease, sparingly.
Jeff
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Posted: Sat Apr 12th, 2008 11:18 pm |
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CAIG_TECH_106 wrote: As mentioned above, start by flushing one channel or fader first using the FaderLube spray. This will remove the majority, if not all, of the contaminants on the surface. Be sure to slide your channels back and forth, this allows for a mechanical action to help spead the product and assist with the cleaning.
The option of soaking the entire board in alcohol first is strictly yours, but we do not recommend this process.
If after Flushing the channel with the FaderLube, you do not have the tactile feel you are looking for, then you can add the FaderGrease, sparingly.
Jeff
Well, good news. While the F5 did not solve the situation by itself from a simple flushing, it did play a part in apparently returning all the faders to good working condition. So far, so good. The key was getting in there and cleaning the inside of the faders thoroughly. Flushing alone reduced the noise, but didn't eliminate it. I was too lazy to soak the board entirely, so I used some B&D alcohol swabs and a little spare stylus cleaner (looks like a mascara applicator) to get in there and remove as much grime as possible. I let it dry overnight, then tried the F5. Perfect. A few hours later I added a little grease. Noise again. Another alcohol swab & plastic tool (the swab around the tool) cleaning and F5 later, and it was back to noise-free. Interestingly, the swab showed a lot of grime even the second time around, even though a dry swab had come up clean previously after the first alcohol treatment. You may have been right that the faders are too dirty inside and the grease was suspending the gunk inside it rather than breaking it up and flushing it out. At lease the grease then 3-in-1 Oil did a longterm dirt collection and deoxidizing job on them while I was resolving this. The grease might well work fine on new faders, but I don't have anything I want to mess with right now.
So thanks for all your help. Considering how the F5 doesn't smell as bad as the 3-in-1 or require as much effort with injecting it into the straw of canned air (hyperdermic needle, long story), I think you got yourself a FaderLube F5 convert. I'm still partial to the 3-in-1 on certain VCA faders (D-type, for instance), but on everything else I'll probably start using this from now on.
Ben
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Posted: Sun Apr 13th, 2008 06:10 pm |
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Sounds good, :-)
Keep us posted on your equipment.
Mark
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Posted: Thu Oct 23rd, 2008 06:54 pm |
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 Woow thanks for information
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